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bewylderbeast
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 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: The souls and violent death |
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Quote from Ravenari:
| Quote: | | I believe that we have more than one soul, and that some of those souls in the moment of death are dependent on the integrity of the body lasting (i.e. remaining whole or at the very least absolutely NOT given to other people) for a short period of time, until those souls have moved on. |
I decided to split this discussion off from the Organ Donation topic.
These words from Ravenari have had me thinking. I think I am starting to believe that the soul(s) need a breather between the point of death and moving on.
And from this, and the idea that the body needs to remain whole after death, I formed this question:
In the case of a violent death, (such as a road traffic accident, a murder, or some instance where the body is left disfigured at the point of death), what do you think happens to the soul(s)?
I have no real ideas about this, but I am now concerned that these people will not be able to rest/reincarnate/move on after their death.
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Ravenari
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: The souls and violent death |
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| bewylderbeast wrote: | | In the case of a violent death, (such as a road traffic accident, a murder, or some instance where the body is left disfigured at the point of death), what do you think happens to the soul(s)? |
In the case of violent deaths, the soul/s almost always need psychopomping of some kind - in my experience, and in the experience of others.
Whether they stay behind as 'ghosts' or just leave traumatised fragments of themselves behind, violent deaths - to me - leave a miasma of energy behind that affects everyone that comes into contact with it, whether they know it or not.
However, it can also be these souls that are the most resistant to psychopomping, and offers of assistance.
I have psychopomped for a family who died in a car accident (on the same day, it was one of my very first 'jobs' and I don't really feel like I got much of a say in the matter).
It's also not possible to keep up with all the catastrophies, disasters and violent deaths out there. Over-population, plus a lack of people to truly resolve these sorts of issues, means that things like the Tsunami, and Haiti, and Peru, happen in a spiritual vacuum - with priests and shamans trying their hardest but ultimately not ever succeeding in completing a healing process that could be completed in a community that wasn't over-saturated with people.
I have no idea how that's going to impact on human culture in the long-term, but in the short-term, it's overwhelming and makes me wonder what sort of repercussions this would have in underworlds that deal specifically with lost souls of people, and so on. I.e. if our earth is over-populated with humans, are those regions over-populated too, and if so - does that attract the kind of spirits who are interested in dealing with that sort of thing?
Mostly just out loud speculation there. |
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WhiteFox
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Why just humans?
Do other animals with sudden and/or violent deaths need assistance too?
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Ravenari
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| WhiteFox wrote: | | Do other animals with sudden and/or violent deaths need assistance too? |
Animals that find it difficult to process trauma - which is often (but not always) tied up into the cerebral cortex; the great apes, cetaceans, and so on can benefit too.
But the fact is the vast majority of animals do not experience trauma like we do - i.e. in a lasting dysfunctional way. There's a great book about how humans do not discharge trauma in a natural way vs. animals, that do, called Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine. |
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WhiteFox
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Neat, I'll add that to my wishlist.
Not that trauma is really cool or anything like that, but it's interesting.
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